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	<title>Comments on: Believe it when you see it: New York Cosmos propose $400 milllion stadium</title>
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		<title>By: wesbadia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wesbadia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like this concept.

One thing you can&#039;t take away from other leagues is that they had the advantage of having most of their top clubs started before sports became a profession at the turn of the last century. American professional soccer was economically forced into a different model. Like it or hate it, that&#039;s the reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this concept.</p>
<p>One thing you can&#8217;t take away from other leagues is that they had the advantage of having most of their top clubs started before sports became a profession at the turn of the last century. American professional soccer was economically forced into a different model. Like it or hate it, that&#8217;s the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: wesbadia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wesbadia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, MLS money isn&#039;t private? That&#039;s news to me.

Neither NY2 nor Cosmos stadia will be financed with much private money. NY2 will probably be getting landgrants from the city (for Corona Park) as well as tax breaks, and Cosmos look to necessitate some sort of public funding or tax break system as well. Hardly any stadium is built using private money anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, MLS money isn&#8217;t private? That&#8217;s news to me.</p>
<p>Neither NY2 nor Cosmos stadia will be financed with much private money. NY2 will probably be getting landgrants from the city (for Corona Park) as well as tax breaks, and Cosmos look to necessitate some sort of public funding or tax break system as well. Hardly any stadium is built using private money anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: wesbadia</title>
		<link>http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/new-york-cosmos-stadium/comment-page-1/#comment-8198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wesbadia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then that reference was not very clear, nor did it make much sense...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then that reference was not very clear, nor did it make much sense&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wesbadia</title>
		<link>http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/new-york-cosmos-stadium/comment-page-1/#comment-8197</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wesbadia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been very much in the open that the Cosmos brand was never the &quot;go to&quot; franchise for MLS. I&#039;ve read almost everything Garber has said about NY2, and none of it indicated the Cosmos would be the way they went. And that was evident when Cosmos joined NASL this past fall.

There will be three NY teams (possibly four if USL gets back into that market like they want). And they&#039;ll represent different districts of the metropolitan area, which is more in line with most parts of the world. The Cosmos will have to stand on their own two feet in the NY sports market. If I had to guess, the Cosmos will give more competition to NY2 than either of those will give to NYRB. But no matter how it turns out, upcoming USOC tourneys will be a hell of a thing in NYC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been very much in the open that the Cosmos brand was never the &#8220;go to&#8221; franchise for MLS. I&#8217;ve read almost everything Garber has said about NY2, and none of it indicated the Cosmos would be the way they went. And that was evident when Cosmos joined NASL this past fall.</p>
<p>There will be three NY teams (possibly four if USL gets back into that market like they want). And they&#8217;ll represent different districts of the metropolitan area, which is more in line with most parts of the world. The Cosmos will have to stand on their own two feet in the NY sports market. If I had to guess, the Cosmos will give more competition to NY2 than either of those will give to NYRB. But no matter how it turns out, upcoming USOC tourneys will be a hell of a thing in NYC.</p>
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		<title>By: dfstell</title>
		<link>http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/new-york-cosmos-stadium/comment-page-1/#comment-8194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dfstell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love this.  Who knows if it&#039;ll work out, but I really like the more entrepreneurial model of soccer in the rest of the world where if an owner has a dream they can go for it: build a field, create a club, start in the lower levels and work their way up.  

I think it&#039;s like restaurants.  MLS is McDonalds.  If you buy a McDonalds franchise, you might make a lot of money and have success, but no one will ever say you have the best restaurant in town.  The more entrepreneurial model allows for a LOT of chaos and failure, but it&#039;s also where you get your 5-star restaurants.  I know that when MLS started, our soccer market couldn&#039;t endure that volatility, but perhaps we can now.  MLS would be wise to just let the Cosmos do what they want and see what happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this.  Who knows if it&#8217;ll work out, but I really like the more entrepreneurial model of soccer in the rest of the world where if an owner has a dream they can go for it: build a field, create a club, start in the lower levels and work their way up.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s like restaurants.  MLS is McDonalds.  If you buy a McDonalds franchise, you might make a lot of money and have success, but no one will ever say you have the best restaurant in town.  The more entrepreneurial model allows for a LOT of chaos and failure, but it&#8217;s also where you get your 5-star restaurants.  I know that when MLS started, our soccer market couldn&#8217;t endure that volatility, but perhaps we can now.  MLS would be wise to just let the Cosmos do what they want and see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: charliej11</title>
		<link>http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/new-york-cosmos-stadium/comment-page-1/#comment-8193</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charliej11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh well I guess if you take into account what Paul Allen did for that part of town, he probably owns it all now and it could easily have doubled maybe tripled the actual stadium investment..maybe more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well I guess if you take into account what Paul Allen did for that part of town, he probably owns it all now and it could easily have doubled maybe tripled the actual stadium investment..maybe more.</p>
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		<title>By: charliej11</title>
		<link>http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/new-york-cosmos-stadium/comment-page-1/#comment-8192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charliej11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is that sad ?   It is private money, not MLS, money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is that sad ?   It is private money, not MLS, money.</p>
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		<title>By: pensfan603</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pensfan603]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sad part is the MLS have no way of stopping this.The cosmos will do what they want when they want. I dont know if the mls will just decide not to work with the cosmos and get another team to work inside New York, or if THey wll be forced to work with the cosmos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad part is the MLS have no way of stopping this.The cosmos will do what they want when they want. I dont know if the mls will just decide not to work with the cosmos and get another team to work inside New York, or if THey wll be forced to work with the cosmos.</p>
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		<title>By: jerichowhiskey</title>
		<link>http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/new-york-cosmos-stadium/comment-page-1/#comment-8181</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jerichowhiskey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[O&#039;Brien estimates the stadium will cost around $200-240 million with the rest for development surrounding it including a community park, restaurants, stores, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O&#8217;Brien estimates the stadium will cost around $200-240 million with the rest for development surrounding it including a community park, restaurants, stores, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: valiantdraws</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[valiantdraws]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that reference is to Century Link field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that reference is to Century Link field.</p>
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		<title>By: wesbadia</title>
		<link>http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/new-york-cosmos-stadium/comment-page-1/#comment-8178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wesbadia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That $400M is clearly not all spent on the stadium itself. As the second rendering shows, there will probably be extensive development around the stadium site that eats up a large chunk of the total.

And, if the VSI Tampa stadium project is any indication, the entire project site will include practice facilities, academy facilities, sports medical facilities, and anything else that&#039;d make this plan so appealing to a soccer organization. One thing you have to remember about this kind of stuff is that these renderings depict the ideal scenario of the client. It&#039;s a wish list. They rarely get built in the same capacity, at least at first, and are usually staged over many years. That&#039;s basic design and planning.

And what is this supposed Sounders Stadium you talk of? I&#039;ve heard scuttlebutt about it, but it was pretty much dismissed as a pipe dream.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That $400M is clearly not all spent on the stadium itself. As the second rendering shows, there will probably be extensive development around the stadium site that eats up a large chunk of the total.</p>
<p>And, if the VSI Tampa stadium project is any indication, the entire project site will include practice facilities, academy facilities, sports medical facilities, and anything else that&#8217;d make this plan so appealing to a soccer organization. One thing you have to remember about this kind of stuff is that these renderings depict the ideal scenario of the client. It&#8217;s a wish list. They rarely get built in the same capacity, at least at first, and are usually staged over many years. That&#8217;s basic design and planning.</p>
<p>And what is this supposed Sounders Stadium you talk of? I&#8217;ve heard scuttlebutt about it, but it was pretty much dismissed as a pipe dream.</p>
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		<title>By: charliej11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charliej11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this expandable, because it doesn&#039;t look like it ? 

So if NOT you are going to build a stadium for the fastest growing situation in the world ( US soccer ) and you build a 25k stadium ?  Stupid.

For 400k ?  Wow.

When they build the best soccer stadium in the world, the Sounders Stadium for $360 ( $430 with Events Center next door ) ?    Triple wow.

Wow, I thought these guys might pull this off, but they are not very bright.  They must be counting on a LOT of other revenue ?  Doesn&#039;t make ANY sense....at all.

If you are going to spend $400 million, build a real stadium.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this expandable, because it doesn&#8217;t look like it ? </p>
<p>So if NOT you are going to build a stadium for the fastest growing situation in the world ( US soccer ) and you build a 25k stadium ?  Stupid.</p>
<p>For 400k ?  Wow.</p>
<p>When they build the best soccer stadium in the world, the Sounders Stadium for $360 ( $430 with Events Center next door ) ?    Triple wow.</p>
<p>Wow, I thought these guys might pull this off, but they are not very bright.  They must be counting on a LOT of other revenue ?  Doesn&#8217;t make ANY sense&#8230;.at all.</p>
<p>If you are going to spend $400 million, build a real stadium.</p>
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		<title>By: jerichowhiskey</title>
		<link>http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/new-york-cosmos-stadium/comment-page-1/#comment-8175</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jerichowhiskey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In that area, it&#039;s probably more important to people who drive so parking will probably be a bigger issue than mass transit. Even so, with LIRR and buses running in the area, it should do fine in that department.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that area, it&#8217;s probably more important to people who drive so parking will probably be a bigger issue than mass transit. Even so, with LIRR and buses running in the area, it should do fine in that department.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Farley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Farley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the info! I&#039;ll add a note to the post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info! I&#8217;ll add a note to the post.</p>
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		<title>By: pmacd82</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pmacd82]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Definitely would not be more accesible than Red Bull Arena as there is no mass transit that gets off nearby.

That being said, maybe a hell of a lot easier to build in Long Island and if they can get this thing built while MLS is dealing with NYC bureaucratic nonsense, it may force the league&#039;s hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely would not be more accesible than Red Bull Arena as there is no mass transit that gets off nearby.</p>
<p>That being said, maybe a hell of a lot easier to build in Long Island and if they can get this thing built while MLS is dealing with NYC bureaucratic nonsense, it may force the league&#8217;s hand.</p>
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